Mower Family History Association
2nd Quarter 2002 Newsletter
Mrs. Linda K. Larson, A.G.
Scandinavian Research Specialist
scandiaroot@mymailstation.com
1447 South 800 East
Orem, Utah 84097
(801) 224-2048
3 May 2002
Jerry Mower
615 County Road 123
Bedford, WY 83112
Dear Jerry:
Enclosed you will find a complete new set of pedigree charts, together with the updated and new family group sheets for this research period.
The first family group sheet is from pedigree chart #7. This is an updated sheet on Pehr Hansson and his wife Elisabeth Olsdotter (family #186) who are your 8th great grandparents. Pehr Hansson was married secondly to Elisabeth Hansdotter (family #213).
Pehr Hansson was apparently the only child of Hans Pehrsson and his wife Kerstin Parsdotter (family #198). They are your 9th great grandparents. The father, Hans Pehrsson, died shortly after the birth of his son. The mother, Kerstin Parsdotter, was remarried in 1682 to David Ersson (family #279) with whom she had at least five children.
Kerstin Parsdotter died in 1696, and her widower was remarried in 1700 to Karin Nilsdotter (family #280). They had two children. David Ersson died in 1702.
Hans Pehrsson, father of Pehr Hansson above, appears to have been the son of Pehr Andersson and wife (family #250) of Aspa in Lindesberg.
We now go to pedigree chart #10 where you will see the family of Erich Nilsson and Karin Persdotter (family #75) of Fanthyttan in Lindesberg. They had at least two children.
On pedigree chart #11 there is Elias Ersson (family #105) who is your 10th great grandfather. I have not determined the name of his wife, and have identified only one child, Peder Eliasson.
On pedigree chart #12 we have another individual by the name of Elias, that is Elias Joensson of Wasselhyttan and his wife Gertrud (family #184). They were the parents of at least seven children, and are your 10th great grandparents. It appears that Elias Joensson had at least one sister, Kirstin, and one brother, Per (family #256).
Hans Ersson and his wife Ingeborg Ersdotter (family #87) are shown on pedigree chart #13. This is an updated sheet also. You will note that I have located the birth/chr record of their son, Olof, who was born in 1685.
On pedigree chart #15 there is the family of Erich Ersson of Guldsmedshyttan (family #191). The name of the wife has not been determined. Erich Ersson's daughter, Elin Ersdotter, was married in 1685 to Per Mattisson (family #277).
Per or Peder Ersson and his first wife, name unknown, are shown on pedigree chart #17. They are your 9th great grandparents and were from Granshyttan in Lindesberg. They were the parents of at least four children. Per Ersson was married secondly to the widow Anna Olofsdotter (family #262) with whom he had at least five children. The first husband of Anna Olofsdotter (fam #269) is also unknown.
Three of the children of Per Ersson were married as follows:
(1) Carin Persdotter was married in 1679 to Anders Nilsson of Nyakopparberg (family #272). (2) Margaretha Persdotter was married in 1682 to Lars Larsson (family #276). (3) Olof Persson was married in 1711 to the widow Anna Andersdotter (fam #259).
Per Ersson was the son of Erich Nilsson and his wife of Granshyttan (family #242). Erich Nilsson is your 10th great grandfather. He was the father of at least five children. Two of these were Nils Ersson, who was married in 1661 to Carin Nilsdotter (family #243) and Johan Ersson (family #271). Nils Ersson's daughter, Brytha Nilsdotter, was married to Mattis Olofsson (family #273).
On pedigree chart #18 you will find the family of Nils Jakobsson and his wife Cherstin Hansdotter (family #188). They resided at Armanboda in Lindesberg. They had at least fiven children.
It appears that Nils Jakobsson had at least two sisters and two brothers (family #247). The full name of their father is not known. Early records often give only the first name of the individual and his residence. The one daughter, Cherstin Jakobsdotter, was married to Anders Persson (family #270).
Lastly we go to pedigree chart #38 to the family of Pehr Larsson and Anna Hindrichsdotter (family #221). I have found one additional child in this family.
I hope that all is well with your family. Best wishes.
Sincerely yours,
(Mrs.) Linda K. Larson, A.G.
E-mails from researchers regarding this work:
27 April 2002
Hello Jerry Mower and Linda Larson,
While doing searching using google on the Internet, I ran across a couple of
my ancestors, Pehr Anersson and Kerstin Jansdotter, married 1729 in
Lindesberg. As my grandfather was from Lindesberg (as well as most of his
ancestors), I have extensive ancestry from that area. About 1985 I did a
great deal of research on these lines. Jerry, your website is outstanding,
and my interests was piqued from the first quarter 2001 and 2002
newsletters.
There appears to be questions as to Per Andersson's birth and parents. I,
too, followed each of the clerical surveys which give the birth as 1709. I
photocopied all these surveys for this family, as well as the 1709 birth.
My notes show that I also first accepted it, then rejected it.
It looks like I ended up accepting the birth on 10 Feb. 1712 of Per
Andersson, son of Anders Hansson of Hammaren and Anna Larsdotter. I have a
photocopy of this record. On the Internet you can quickly take a look at
transcripts by Brent Ericson of many Lindesberg births and marriages.
http://iigs.rootsweb.com/lindesberg/years.html
If Linda is still working on this family, perhaps you would be willing to
offer your professional opinion on this.
My first thought is that when the couple married on 17 August 1729 in
Lindesberg, the groom Per would have been only 17 years old, and his bride
Kerstin would have been only age 16. That raises a bit of a red flag, as I
would say in my research this is uncommon. How likely do you think this is?
However, there are a couple reasons to believe it may be so. It can be
proven that the wife Kerstin was born on April 9, 1713 at Forneboda, Linde,
indeed making her only 16. Since she is quite young, would it be that far
fetched that he would also be quite young? The clerical surveys show
Kerstin's mother Ellika (Alin Persdotter) living with Per and Kerstin, and
Ellika was born in 1673 (of Aspa, Linde).
There is occupational consistency, which is only suggestive, not proof.
Pehr Anderson (1712-1767) was a bergman (miner), as was his presumed father
Anders Hansson (1674-1719). If one were to speculate on reasons for Per
marrying young, perhaps the death of his father Anders in 1719 (age 45) and
his mother Anna Larsdotter in 1713 (age 33) offers an explanation. Young
people often had to wait for the death of the father before being able to
assume the farm or leasehold. However, they were miners. Anyway, he
probably had good reason to be on his own at a young age.
It looks like someone else arrived at the same conclusion.
There is a Family Group Sheet in the LDS church's Main Archives submitted by
Mrs. Joy c. Baker, 965 No. 8th West, Salt Lake City, Utah 84116. She is
the 4th great-granddaughter of Per Andersson and Kerstin Jansdotter.
Gen/RAS (This research must have been completed 30 or 40 years ago when the
Family History Library employed a staff of professional researchers. I
understand these research files are still available.)
I see one other note:
"dr. ti." on the 1729 marriage. Does anyone know what "dr. ti." means? (I
just wonder if it might mean "minor" or something like that.)
Please see my genealogy of Pehr Andersson (bn. 1712) at RootsWeb for more
details.
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=gregramstedt&id=I4784
I would be pleased to hear your opinion. If I have a mistake in my
database, then it will have to be changed.
Sincerely,
Greg Ramstedt
425 So. Melanie Lane
Pleasant Grove, Utah 84062
(801) 785-6711
gregramstedt@sprintmail.com
I spent a couple hours going through Linda Larson's five research letters that were included on your website. I also found a pedigree on the Pedigree Resource File #20, though it doesn't reflect Linda's latest research. We have three relationships that I have found, and you or Linda can find my details at Rootsweb.
Three common sets of ancestors:
1. Olof Matsson (born abt 1656 of Norrsjön, Ljusnarsberg, Örebro, Sweden; died 2 March 1734 of Biörkäng, Ljusnarsberg, Örebro, Sweden) married 25 May 1681 in Ljusnarsberg to Ingrid Andersdotter (born 3 March 1650 at Fordom, Ljusnarsberg, Örebro, Sweden; of Pottåker at marriage time; died 12 August 1724 at Biörkäng, Ljusnarsberg, Örebro, Sweden). She is the daughter of Anders Gudmensson who died 1666 at Fordom, age 74 years.
There are FGS in the LDS Main Archives for these people. The submitter is Mrs. Elva Neilson, 4720 Wander Lane, Salt Lake City, Utah 84117. The family representative is Elva Oleen Neilson, the 6th great-granddaughter of Olof and Ingrid. The source is Ella Heckscher, Gen. Bureu, Uppsala, Sweden.
You descend from their son Mat Olsson (bn. 28 Nov. 1686 at Biörkäng, Ljusnarsberg, Örebro, Sweden), husband of Anna Zachrisdotter
I descend from their daughter Britia Olsdotter (bn. 1682), wife of Bengt Larsson.
2. Pehr Andersson (1712 Hammaren, Linde; died 1767 Forneboda) who married 1729 in Lindesberg to Kerstin Jansdotter (1713 Fornaboda; 1766 Fornaboda).
You descend from their son Pehr Pehrsson (1733 Fornaboda, Linde), who married Lisa (Elisabet) Andersdotter (1740 Ingelshyttan, Linde)
I descend from their daughter Chierstin "Stina" Pehrsdotter (bn. 1740), wife of Lars Olsson.
There is a Family Group Sheet in the LDS church's Main Archives submitted by Mrs. Joy c. Baker, 965 No. 8th West, Salt Lake City, Utah 84116. She is the 4th great-granddaughter of Per Andersson and Kerstin Jansdotter. Gen/RAS
3. Göran Ersson (abt 1689 of Skogtorp, Ramsberg; died 1749 Ingelhyttan, Linde) married 1708 Ramsberg to Anna Jonsdotter (bn. 1680/1682 Ingelhyttan; died 1762 in Ingelhyttan).
You descend from their daughter Stina Göransdotter (bn. 1734 at Ramshytte/Skogstorp, Ramsberg, Örebro, Sweden), wife of Pehr Ersson.
I descend from their daughter Anna Göransdotter (bn. 1729 Norra Skogtorp, Ramsberg, Örebro, Sweden), wife of Per Pehrsson (1727-1799), miner.
Feel free to forward this summary to Linda, and if she finds any mistakes, I should be happy to correct my records.
Thanks again for your great website.
Greg
Dear Jerry,
I found another genealogical connection, and some coincidental references to you.
On Linda Larson's July 1998 report she mentions your ancestor Stina Joransdotter of Ramsberg, who she says was born in 1729, the daughter of Joran Ersson (died 1749) of Skogstorp, Ramsberg and his wife Anna Ohlsdotter or Anna Joensdotter. Since this letter is nearly four years old, I don't know if Linda later sorted it out. You have Stina marrying Pehr Ersson of Ingelshyttan, Linde.
My ancestor Göran Ersson of Skogstorp, Ramsberg (died 9 April 1749 in Ingelhyttan, Linde) married Anna Jonsdotter (of Ingelshyttan, Linde) (died 1762 at Ingelshyttan). I descend from their daughter Anna Göransdotter who married in 1752 to Pehr Pehrsson of Danshyttan, Linde. Before looking at Linda's letter, I had another daughter Stina Göransdotter born 1734, who married in 1758 to Pehr Ersson (bn. 1727 in Ramsberg). I don't know if Linda has possibly resolved the date discrepancy between 1729 and 1734. If they are the same people, then we are distant cousins with this family, as well as from Pehr Andersson and Kerstin Jansdotter.
I'm still examining Linda's research letters for other overlapping information. I'm quite impressed with the work she has done. I think I've met her, as I've been involved off and on with the genealogical community in the Orem area for a long time. I'm also very impressed with the huge research projects you are coordinating.
A week and a half ago I never heard of you, but now I'm seeing more coincidental connections. This morning I began reading my May edition of NEA Today, and see on page 26 you are quoted! I am a history teacher too, now in my 21st year, and I must say I quite agree with you concerning the large number of students who are barely literate by junior high. It is frustrating, and somehow we are to be held accountable not only for our own curriculum, but to make up for all their past deficiencies. I see from the Internet that you are in your 29th year, and teach world history.
I teach mostly United States history, but for seven years now have had a family history elective class named "Roots." It has been approved by the Alpine School District as a social studies elective leading to graduation requirements in social studies. I teach at a junior high which includes grades 7, 8 and 9. On Tuesday, my Roots class was on a genealogical field trip, and one of the students, Celia Heiner, had her mother along to help with supervision. I asked her where the Heiners came from and she said Wyoming. I notice that your wife is a Heiner, so I suspect there must be some connection there too. I'll have to ask Celia if she has any Mower relatives.
Anyway, it seems like a small world.
Good luck with your research and teaching.
Greg
Greg Ramstedt (Ramstedt comes from Ramsberg!)
425 So. Melanie Lane
Pleasant Grove, Utah 84062